| Works | Augustine of Hippo, De diversis quaestionibus ad Simplicianum II.3 — Samuel per pytonissam evocari quomodo potuerit Augustine of Hippo, De octo Dulcitii quaestionibus q.6 — Utrum Samuel per pytonissam vere fuerit de inferno evocatus |
| Written | c. 396 (to Simplicianus, then a presbyter of Milan) and 422/423 (to Dulcitius). Augustine calls him bishop in the later text; he succeeded Ambrose in 397, after the first was written. |
| Latin text | Migne, Patrologia Latina vol. 40, cols. 101–148 and 147–170. Critical editions: CCSL 44 and 44A, ed. Almut Mutzenbecher (1970, 1975). |
| Translated by | Pleasant Springs Church, from the Latin |
| Published English that exists, and was not used | Boniface Ramsey, Responses to Miscellaneous Questions (WSA I/12, New City Press, 2008); Mary DeFerrari, Treatises on Various Subjects (FOTC 16, 1952), for the Dulcitius questions only. Both are in copyright and neither was consulted, so that this English is independent. |
| Why there was no free English | Neither work is in the Ante-Nicene Fathers or the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, the two collections from which almost all free patristic English descends. |
Twice in his life Augustine was asked the same question: when the medium at Endor brought up Samuel for King Saul, did the prophet really come? The first time it was Simplicianus, who had baptised Ambrose's Milan into a generation of thought and would shortly succeed him as bishop. The second time, twenty-six years later, it was a man named Dulcitius, who sent eight questions and got eight answers.
The two texts are printed here as one, because Augustine printed them as one. His reply to Dulcitius opens by saying so:
“Simplicianus, bishop of Milan, of blessed memory, once asked me this. So read below what I answered him.”
He then copies out his own earlier answer entire — and adds a postscript correcting it. Sections 6.2 to 6.4 below are Ad Simplicianum II.3, shown in the blue frame; the two Latin texts differ in twenty-six points of spelling and punctuation, and in one real word — the Dulcitius version adds inquam, “I said”, marking the spot where he begins copying himself. Sections 6.1 and 6.5 are the new material, and 6.5 is the one most worth your time.
The question as Dulcitius put it
Your sixth proposition is this: whether, according to the narrative of the book of Kingdoms, the pythoness actually called up the prophet Samuel himself from the underworld.
That God may have permitted it
Here Augustine begins quoting his own earlier reply to Simplicianus, c. 396. Everything in this frame is Ad Simplicianum II.3.
You ask further, I said, whether the unclean spirit that was in the pythoness could have brought it about that Samuel was seen by Saul and spoke with him. But it is a far greater marvel that Satan himself, the prince of all unclean spirits, was able to speak with God and to ask that Job, a most righteous man, be tested — the same Satan who also asked that the apostles be tested.
Or if this raises no difficult question — because the Truth, present everywhere, speaks through whatever creature it wills to whatever creature it wills, and it is no great merit to be one to whom God speaks, since what matters is what he says (an emperor likewise does not speak with many innocent people for whose welfare he nonetheless provides most carefully, and does speak with many guilty ones whom he orders to be executed) — if, then, there is no question here, let there be no question either about how an unclean spirit could speak with the soul of a holy man. For God, the creator and sanctifier, is by far greater than all the saints.
But if what troubles you is that an evil spirit was permitted to rouse the soul of a righteous man and call it up, as it were, out of the hidden dwelling-places of the dead — is it not more astonishing that Satan took up the Lord himself and set him on the pinnacle of the temple? For however he did it, the manner in which Samuel was roused is hidden in just the same way — unless someone should say the devil had freer licence to take the living Lord from where he wished and set him where he wished than to rouse the spirit of the dead Samuel from its own seat.
And if that Gospel episode does not disturb us, because the Lord willed and permitted it to happen with no diminishing of his power and divinity — just as he suffered himself to be seized and bound and mocked and crucified and killed by the Jews themselves, perverse and unclean though they were, and doing the devil's work — then it is not absurd to believe that by some dispensation of the divine will it was permitted that the spirit of the holy prophet consented to be shown to the king's sight: not unwillingly, and not with magical power mastering and subduing him, but willingly and in obedience to a hidden ordinance of God, which was concealed from that pythoness and from Saul — and this in order to strike Saul with a divine sentence.
For why should the soul of a good man, if it comes when summoned by evil men who are alive, be thought to lose its dignity? Living good men are often summoned to the wicked and do come, and deal with them as the duty of fairness requires, the honour of their own virtue kept whole and unshaken, while they handle those men's vices as the use or necessity of present circumstances demands.
Or perhaps a phantom of Samuel appeared, and not his spirit
And yet in this matter there can be another and easier way out, a readier understanding: that we should believe not that Samuel's spirit was truly roused from its rest, but that it was some phantom, an imaginary illusion produced by the devil's contrivances — which Scripture calls by the name of Samuel for this reason, that images are customarily called by the names of the things they are images of.
So it is with everything painted or moulded out of some material, metal or wood or whatever suits such work, and with the things seen in dreams; nearly all images are habitually called by the names of the things they are images of. For who hesitates to call a painted man a man? Indeed, when we look at a picture of some particular person we apply proper names without hesitation — as when, gazing at a panel or a wall, we say: that is Cicero, that is Sallust, that is Achilles, that is Hector, this river is the Simois, that is Rome — though they are nothing but painted images.
Hence, although the Cherubim are heavenly powers, the figures fashioned of metal at God's command above the ark of the covenant, for the sake of signifying a great reality, are themselves also called nothing other than Cherubim.
Likewise anyone who has had a dream does not say “I saw an image of Augustine or of Simplicianus,” but “I saw Augustine,” “I saw Simplicianus” — although at the time he saw such a thing we knew nothing of it; so plain is it that it is not the men themselves but their images that are seen. And Pharaoh said he had seen ears of grain and cattle in his dreams, not images of ears of grain or of cattle.
If, therefore, it is perfectly clear that images are called by the names of the things they are images of, it is no wonder that Scripture says Samuel was seen, even if what appeared was perhaps an image of Samuel, contrived by him who transforms himself into an angel of light and his ministers into ministers of righteousness.
How demons know the future
Now if what troubles you is how true things came to be foretold to Saul even by an evil spirit, this too may seem astonishing: how the demons recognized Christ, whom the Jews did not recognize.
For when God wills that someone should learn true things — merely temporal ones, belonging to this mortal life — even through the lowest and infernal spirits, it is easy and not unfitting that the Almighty and Just One should impart some measure of divination even to spirits of that kind, by the hidden apparatus of his own ministries, so that what they hear from the angels they may announce to human beings. And this for the punishment of those to whom such things are foretold, so that they may suffer the evil hanging over them by knowing it before it comes. But they hear only so much as the Lord and Governor of all either commands or allows.
Hence in the Acts of the Apostles the pythonic spirit likewise bears witness to the apostle Paul and attempts to be an evangelist. Yet these spirits mix in deceits, and the truth they have managed to learn they announce beforehand with the aim not so much of teaching as of deceiving.
And perhaps this is why, when that image of Samuel foretold that Saul would die, it also said that he would be with him — which is certainly false. For we read in the Gospel that after death the good are separated from the wicked by a great distance, since the Lord testifies that a great chasm was set between that proud rich man, already suffering torments in the underworld, and the man who had lain covered with sores at his gate and was now established in rest. Or else Samuel said to Saul “you shall be with me” in a sense referring not to an equality of happiness but to a like condition of death — that both were men and both could die — and one already dead was foretelling death to one still living.
Your good sense sees, I think, that on either understanding that passage has an outcome which is not contrary to the faith — unless perhaps by a deeper and more intricate inquiry, one exceeding the narrow limits of my strength or my time, it should be settled cleanly whether or not a human soul, once it has departed this life, can be called up by magical incantations and appear to the sight of the living, even bearing the lineaments of a body, so as to be not only seen but recognized; and if it can, whether the soul of a righteous man is not indeed compelled by magic rites, but rather deigns to show itself in obedience to the more hidden commands of the highest law. So that if it should become clear that this cannot happen, then the two senses are not both to be admitted in handling and expounding this Scripture, but, that one being excluded, we should understand an imaginary simulation of Samuel produced by a diabolical rite.
But since — whether that can happen or not — the deceit of Satan and his cunning work of simulating images is manifold and ever watchful to deceive the human senses, let us rather suppose — step by step, indeed [pedetentim], so as not to foreclose more careful inquiries, but nevertheless suppose — that something of this sort was done by the evil ministry of that pythoness, so long as it is not granted us to think out and explain anything further.
Augustine corrects himself
The quotation ends. What follows is Augustine in 422/423, reading his own thirty-year-old answer.
This is what I wrote back at that time about the pythoness and Samuel.
But that I did not say without reason that we should hold step by step that in this affair a simulated image of Samuel was presented by the evil ministry of the pythoness — precisely so as not to foreclose more careful inquiries — my later inquiry has shown. For I found in the book of Ecclesiasticus, where the fathers are praised in order, that Samuel himself was praised in such a way that he was said to have prophesied even when dead.
But if this book is disputed on the ground of the Hebrews, since it is not in their canon — what shall we say about Moses? He is certainly read as having died in Deuteronomy, and in the Gospel as having appeared to the living together with Elijah, who did not die.
- He never settles it, and that is the point. The conclusion of the Simplician answer is that both readings “have an outcome which is not contrary to the faith.” He is not being evasive; he is marking the question as one the faith does not decide. Readers who quote Augustine as an authority for the demonic-phantom view are quoting his provisional preference and dropping the sentence that governs it.
- The word to watch is pedetentim — “step by step,” feeling one's way, with a foot put down carefully. It is doing real work. He leans toward the phantom reading but attaches this adverb and the clause ne inquisitionibus diligentioribus praescribamus, “lest we foreclose more careful inquiries.” In 6.5 he quotes his own adverb back at himself to show the caution had been justified.
- His drift is toward the apparition being real, not away from it. The later evidence he found — Sirach 46:20, which says Samuel prophesied after he had fallen asleep — tells against the reading he had provisionally preferred. He reports it anyway. He makes the same move in On Care to be Had for the Dead 18, where Samuel at Endor is his lead example that the dead may be sent to the living.
- He raises the objection to his own proof text himself. Sirach is not in the Hebrew canon, and he says so out loud rather than hoping nobody notices — then answers it a second way, from Moses at the Transfiguration, which no one disputes. That is worth imitating.
- 1 Samuel 28:19 is his sharpest crux — and it is not in every Bible. His argument that the speaker lied turns on mecum eris, “you shall be with me.” That is the Hebrew and the Latin. The Septuagint has no such clause: και αυριον συ και οι υιοι σου μετα σου πεσουνται, “and tomorrow you and your sons with you shall fall.” Reading Latin, Augustine never saw the Greek reading, and one of his two strongest arguments rests on a clause his Eastern contemporaries did not have.
- An observation we are labelling an inference, not a fact. He proves Samuel's post-mortem prophecy from Sirach and then has to defend using a book outside the Hebrew canon. He never cites 1 Chronicles 10:13, which in the Septuagint says outright και απεκρινατο αυτω Σαμουηλ ο προφητης, “and Samuel the prophet answered him,” and would have settled it in a line. The Hebrew and the Vulgate both lack that clause, and Jerome translated Chronicles from the Hebrew — so his Bible plausibly did not contain it. But the Old Latin was made from the Greek and may have had it, and we have not established which text he used. Take this as suggestive, not demonstrated.
- A citation correction. This is Ad Simplicianum Book II, question 3. NPNF1 vol. 3, in its footnote to On Care to be Had for the Dead 18, sends readers to “Quæst. ad Simplicianum, lib. ii. qu. 4.” That is wrong against the Latin and against the modern critical edition, and it has been repeated in later literature.
Every place the Latin genuinely allowed a different English rendering, and why we chose as we did. If a choice is not listed here we believe there was no real choice to make — and we would rather be told otherwise than left alone.
| § | Source | Rendered | Alternative | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6.1 | libri Regnorum | “the book of Kingdoms” | “the book of Kings” | Augustine's Latin keeps the Greek book-name; this is our 1 Samuel. Left as he wrote it so the reader sees he is working from a Greek-derived canon order. |
| 6.1– | pytonissa / pythonissa | “pythoness” | “witch”, “medium” | Kept as his own technical word. It renders the Greek εγγαστριμυθος, “belly-talker”, and behind that the Hebrew בַּעֲלַת־אוֹב, “mistress of an ob”. “Witch” is a KJV-era English convention absent from the Latin, the Greek and the Hebrew alike. |
| 6.2 | abditis mortuorum receptaculis | “the hidden dwelling-places of the dead” | “hell” | receptaculum is a container or lodging, and the phrase is neutral about punishment. Rendering it “hell” imports a doctrine the sentence does not carry. Same reasoning for apud inferos in 6.4. |
| 6.2 | non est absurdum credere | “it is not absurd to believe” | “we may rightly believe” | The litotes is deliberate and is the weakest possible endorsement. Strengthening it here would reverse the whole posture of the passage. |
| 6.2 | ex aliqua dispensatione divinae voluntatis | “by some dispensation of the divine will” | “by some arrangement / ordering” | dispensatio is a settled technical term in Augustine for God's ordering of events in time; kept, at the cost of a slightly heavier English. |
| 6.2 | divina eum sententia percussurus | “in order to strike Saul with a divine sentence” | “who was about to strike him…” | Future participle, which in Latin can be purpose or simple futurity. Purpose fits the argument — the permission is for the sentence — but the other reading is available and we are flagging it. |
| 6.3 | phantasma | “phantom” | “apparition”, “hallucination” | “Phantom” keeps it something seen. “Hallucination” would import a modern psychology in which nothing external is present — the opposite of Augustine's claim, which is that a real spirit produced a real image. |
| 6.4 | Mecum eris | “you shall be with me” | — | Rendered from his Latin Bible, not from a modern English version. His whole objection depends on the clause, and the Septuagint does not contain it. See translator's note 5. |
| 6.4 | pedetentim | “step by step” | “tentatively”, “little by little” | The concrete metaphor is kept because Augustine quotes the word back at himself in 6.5 as the hinge of his self-correction; an abstract gloss would break the link. |
| 6.4 | ne…praescribamus | “lest we foreclose” | “lest we prejudge” | Praescribere is legal — to bar a suit in advance. “Foreclose” keeps that; “prejudge” loses the sense of shutting off a future inquiry, which is exactly what he is refusing to do. |
| 6.5 | in libro Ecclesiastico | “in the book of Ecclesiasticus” | “in Sirach” | His name for it, kept. The verse is Sirach 46:20. Note that “Ecclesiasticus” and “Ecclesiastes” are different books and are confused constantly. |
| 6.5 | ex Hebreorum…canone | “on the ground of the Hebrews, since it is not in their canon” | “by the Hebrew canon” | The Latin is elliptical — literally “if this book is contradicted from the [canon] of the Hebrews, because it is not in their canon.” Expanded minimally rather than smoothed, since the redundancy is in the original. |
Part of the Pleasant Springs Library — primary texts in English, with their sources shown. Translations are made for Pleasant Springs Church from the original languages and are checked adversarially before publication; where a published translation exists it is named and not used. The Latin was taken from augustinus.it's transcription of Migne and is held locally alongside this translation.
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